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Exemption. also the question of pay. now, the white house has always said, we worked out this deal even if you're required to provide the insurance, you don't have to pay for it. in the lawsuit, they say, well, we're still going to have to facilitate access to it, still going to have to do pay for patient education and counseling. we have to deal with it. we don't want to deal with it al all. >> is this a negotiating tactic, since you pointed out, the rule hasn't actually been written yet? >> it's possible. because they say in several press statements that went out yepd from the presidents of ...

Unfortunately, i have to table further conversation after a commercial break or two. sit tight the big three. okay. thank you. time for office politics. my final interview with willie geist. he's co-host of morning joe and he's been talking about what's wrong with washington lately. take a listen. >> it seems like neither party is endearing itself to the american public. what are the parties missing? >> they're missing common sense, which is that we don't care about your partisan differents. i don't care that you signed the pledge to somebody. i don't care that you're protecting your reels s...

Defense to the uprising, now the question is are we serious about wanting religious liberty to be in a central element of freedom in the middle east, and now, it's not just a question of words and putting out press statements, are we going to send enjoys -- invoices, are we going to make a very clear message to this military transitional government that there is no such thing as freedom without protecting the 10 percent cap tick christians who are living in that territory right now. bill: who gives voice to that? >> it needs to be first of all, all of us who unable religious liberty speaking u...

Commissions. is it any different than under president bush? >> no, there are one or two taoeuby things not even worth mentioning. this is a continuation of the bush policy and it's about reality. you've got to try these people, you've got to try them and convict them. you can't get convictions in civilian courts. those military tribunals were set up by both parties in 2006 to deal with it. but the interesting thing is the timing. why now? there's nothing that's been different in the last two years. martha: you're saying -- they're saying some report was just completed and -- >> look, i worked ...

Jesse: here with reaction, dr. sebastian gore yeah and nigel farage, considered to be the -- the architect behind brexit. what do you think about the president going over there and collecting bills from our allies. >> imagine if you are in a club and members are paying their -- aren't paying their dues. instead of fancy press statements and protocols, the president goes there and on camera calls them out and gets commitments, and tells them stop getting into bed with russia. we have been waiting for this for decades.