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Class trump ran against, refusing to fathom why people saw hillary as the symbol of that ruling class makes it impossible to see why someone who vote for this guy, root for him now and perhaps into the future. look, the fact is the political class trump defeat san diego obnoxious to a lot of people. they don't like the contributors, pressure groups and perennial candidates that make up both parties. they don't like the look of a system that gets people to pay for your campaigns, the tv ads that destroy your opponents and leave the voters stuck with nothing to vote for but them. they don't like...

Absolutely nothing there. >> reporter: it was much the same with jill stein whose recount effort drew 12 times coverage as her candidacy did. >> if the recount could change the outcome of the election, then hillary clinton would become president. >> razor thin margins, and could change things. >> reporter: ultimately the recounts boosted donald trump's margin of victory in wisconsin and uncovered voter fraud in the democratic stronghold of detroit. >> i think there's a lot of pressure on the democratic party right now to react against the trump administration. and the election of donald trump ...

>> reporter: it was much the same with jill stein whose recount effort drew 12 times coverage as her candidacy did. >> if the recount could change the outcome of the election, then hillary clinton would become president. >> razor thin margins, and could change things. >> reporter: ultimately the recounts boosted donald trump's margin of victory in wisconsin and uncovered voter fraud in the democratic stronghold of detroit. >> i think there's a lot of pressure on the democratic party right now to react against the trump administration. and the election of donald trump and so, there's liberal in...

Politicians dance to the tune of the pressure groups and never get anything done. and they're sick of the loss of jobs in the big city and the factories that used to be along the river, they're all gone. they don't like the immigration the way it's been handled because they know it hasn't been handled. there isn't an immigration policy in effect. they don't like trade and it's not right wingism he's selling. that's a mistake. he's no neocon this guy. he thinks we fought wars we shouldn't have. he's tough. look, i go back to this guy. joe, you know, i was a capital cop, like mike was. >> of cou...

It looks really good, chris. >> well, i hope so. >> did you go deep under cover into trump tower to do this? so, talk about -- you've had a fascinating relationship with donald trump. you've been very critical with him at times and also that paul in you also gets why he's connecting on a visceral level and talk about trumpism and what you found when you explored this? >> he is popular in the neighborhood in south jersey. he is the kind of guy that they like. he's tough. he takes on the establishment. he's not hillary. he's a guy that doesn't paint by numbers. so many politicians paint by numbe...