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Interesting what you brought up was about this device, these three rams you're talking about, basically it's the same here as underneath here but much smaller. >> is same ram that is didn't work the first time, we hope they work this time. obviously there was a pressure issue down here. some hydraulic line wasn't tight enough. whatever the pressure problem was, the rams didn't go through the pipe, didn't stop the oil last time. they built another one of them, put it on top and try to ram it again. they're going to try to stop it for good. if it doesn't work, they can still put a pipe up here a...

When you think about this, one federal official said this is like a volcano down here. it's not on fire but that kind of pressure is coming out of here. you have all this coming out of this area. they're trying to control it. they're worried because there are bits of gravel and sand in that torrent of oil. if there is a kink in this pipe, a bend somewhere in here that could grind away at it, that could make it tear loose. then you might lose the whole well head and then you would have completely out of control flow here. that's the problem. as one lsu scientist said, this is really like a smal...

How it would work. all we can talk about is the theory here. what they're talking about is some kind of a collection device that essentially would sit above the target here. so that as this enormous torrent of fuel comes blasting out here, you can't stop it here. it is simply too powerful here. if you let it disperse just a bit so that it gets a little bit softer, then you come in with something like this and it starts sucking it up in effect. you avoid the pressure issue. you take it up to the surface where it is pumped into a barge and maybe you can do it this way. it has never been done at ...

Tradition. and also we discussed the help for modern education, tibetan children, not only off site but also inside tibet, also some scholarship tibetan youth, they immensely benefit. >> larry: was he receptive? >> yes, very receptive. and truly after our meeting, they made the pressure issue a statement, the american administration fully supported my approach. >> larry: where does it stand now between you and the chinese government? right now? where are you at? >> now, you know, the chinese

You can't stop it here. it is simply too powerful here. if you let it disperse just a bit so that it gets a little bit softer, then you come in with something like this and it starts sucking it up in effect. you avoid the pressure issue. you take it up to the surface where it is pumped into a barge and maybe you can do it this way. it has never been done at this depth but with the clock ticking, it is emerging as the best solution to do sooner rather than later and every day danger gets worse. and i want to ask you a question about that. to some degree, people are reporting that they can smell...