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Just think about the symmetry your argument is -- >> chris, honestly. wouldn't you need to have someone making a complaint and someone saying we were in fact intimidated. we were not allowed. there was undue pressure put on us. no one said that. >> i looked at the voting numbers. i looked at the voting numbers. eight votes in that division for the republican candidate, george w. bush in 24. you had about 24 votes for him again the second time in 2004. this time you had something like 13 for the republican, about the average of the last two times, so it didn't look like there was any bottom -- ...

And what looks to uniforms. one guy is carrying a dangerous stick there that he could break some heads with, and that wouldn't intimidate you if you had to walk past them? think about the symmetry of your argument. >> chris, wouldn't you need to have someone making a complaint and someone saying we were, in fact, intimidated. we were not allowed. there was undue pressure put on us. >> no. i looked at the voting numbers. you have eight votes in the division for the republican candidate george w. bush in 2000. you had 24 votes for him again if second time in 2004. this time you had something lik...

Carrying a pretty dangerous stick there that he could break some heads with and that wouldn't intimidate you if you have to walk past him? just think about the symmetry what your argument is. >> chris, honestly. wouldn't you need to have someone making a complaint and someone saying we were in fact intimidated. we were not allowed. there was undue pressure put on us. no one said that. >> i looked at the voting numbers. i looked at the voting numbers. 8 votes in that division for the republican candidate george w. bush, 24 votes for him again the second time in 2004. this time you had something...

Outside, la raza, naacp, sciu, center for community change others are mobilizing in october for a march for jobs. there needs to be attention paid and our president today in wisconsin, he speaks well. we've got to hold him accountable. he said the greatest danger is that we don't reverse the damage of this great recession. we've got to put people back to work. let's hold him to that. >> i thought the rhetoric today in racine was really good. >> very good. >> in those environments when he's being combative and putting out where the obstacles are, it's worth remembering, i'm interested about the...

Them. just a month ago there was pressure put, cnn asked hillary clinton, you know, how come the pakistanis haven't turned over mullah omar. now they've turned over the number two guy, their military commander. very useful. doesn't mean the war will be won, but this guy will have intel on the relationships with all the 24 different pakistani militant organizations with al qaeda, with the drug lords who they're selling their dope to. this should be very, very interesting. >> what are you thinking about what the pakistanis have done here? does this show a new level of cooperation? consensus was ...