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Former president. what does his committee need in terms of information to make any sort of criminal referral? >> they need to know about his conversation s with the other people in that war room at the willard hotel. they need to know what exactly was he doing about pressuring pence to abdicate his responsibilities and refuse to take the electors. they need to know exactly what he was thinking when he was calling down and demanding more votes in georgia. see, the temptation is to focus only on the january 6th. but that's not really it. it's the whole umbrella of activities. it's the pressure i...

Conversations, with the other people in that war room, at the hotel. they need to know, what exactly what is he doing about pressuring pence to abdicate his responsibilities and refused to take the electors. they need to know, exactly what we see thinking when he was calling down and demanding more votes in georgia. the tempted a shun is to focus only on the january 6th. but that's not really it. it's the whole umbrella of activities. it's the pressure in arizona, the pressure in pennsylvania, the pressure in michigan, the pressure in georgia. and, what was happening with the electors. that's ...