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Deantonio, author of "the truth about trump." so glad to have both of you on. thank you for coming on the program. michael, you first, tonight axios is reporting attorney general sessions at public urging of president trump has been pressuring the fbi director, christopher wray, to fire deputy director andrew mccabe, but wray threatened to resign if mccabe was removed. does this sound like a donald trump move to you? >> oh, it's 100% a donald trump move. you know, he doesn'tforget when people upset him. he associates wray and others at the fbi with james comey. you know, these were the fellows...

In the blank, in this case the fbi. or the cia has a bunch of people who are associated with nazis. what he's saying to his base is, you can't trust these people, i'm here to help you, but i've just got all these basically traitors, for lack of a better phrase, inside the fbi leadership, inside the intelligence community, who are fighting against me and who are trying to make the whole russia -- i mean, it's ridiculous. but it's not funny. because it's extremely damaging to some really important institutions of our democracy. >> page, if fbi director wray had left, he would have been the secon...

The deputy fbi director expected to retire soon. i think that tells you something. >> it certainly does. she ran to the studio to fwet to us. so we know you're out of breath. let's be transparent. thank you for get. this is new reporting to get on the air. you're the best person to do it. listen, the white house are they worried about the optics of the second fbi director being fired and trumps first year? was that a big concern? >> according to to the reporting there was concern of pressuring wray. and concern that perhaps wray would loef. that he would leaf the job. and the optics of an fbi ...

Of breath. let's be transparent about it. thank you for getting here, this is new reporting to get on the air, we wanted to put you in front of the camera and have you report it. pamela, the white house, are they worried about the optics of the second fbi director being fired and inn trump's first year? was that a big concern there? >> according to the axios reporting, there was concern of pressuring wray and concern that perhaps wray would leave his job and the optics of two fbi directors leaving within the same year. i think that the white house certainly was gun shy after james comey was fi...