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Raised, anderson, is there a big deal here? wouldn't we expect sort of, you know, conversations like this to be going on? jeff sessions says nothing bad happened in these conversations. >> why did he lie about them then? >> he did in that march -- when he recused himself he said clearly, never met with any russians. >> sure. >> to discuss, you know, anything going on with the campaign. >> i'm not denying that i wish they had gotten all of the meetings right on the front end, but that doesn't mean somebody willfully lied about it, which is your word. >> but it means he could have. >> and it doe...

>> absolutely. at the time when we're talking about cutting long-term health care costs, this is short-term thinking. we're speeding towards the time when half of the country will be seniors. we need to cut the medical spending and the only way to do that is with scientific research. >> thank you both. francis collins, thank you. nih. he's heading it. we want to hear more about cuts that are affecting you. tweet us at unkindestcut or go to facebook.com/hardball. we'll be right back for a minute. ♪ ♪ wonder if i gave an oreo to facebook.com/hardball. we'll be right back for a minute. who i ...

To the terrible alternatives. >> there certainly a campaign on the right to make it in lieu of banning abortion to make it incredibly difficult to get. this is the downside that people wind up going outside the law and i think the abortion rights movement i mean, is not defending gosnell here although, you know, somebody from the national abortion federation refused to certify his clinic and didn't call the cops which is pretty damming. >> no doubt about it, pretty damming. we don't have women on the set so we won't continue to talk about abortion. but instead talk about the debate on the litt...