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Strikes that we saw in kyiv last night, that the strikes happened with the secretary general still in the capitol. he was humiliated. was that a message directed to the secretary general from russia? was this directed to the ukraine or nato? >> i think it confirmed the humiliation was more russia's self-humiliation. conserving it moved to the status of a international praia. i can't believe somebody in authority in moscow would think anything can be gained by doing this. military people without chain of command did this but in any event it confirms russia is outside the norm of civility. remem...

When our objective is to avoid war, prevent war. it's ultimately up to president putin to decide what steps he's going to take. putting out specific details about the type of false flag operations, efforts to push misinformation through russian media, the types of tactics they have used in the past, that's all a part of our effort to make it more difficult for them to use these tactics and keep the eyes of the global community open. >> standoff under score the nato allies spending 2% of their g.d.p. toward defense, that something the white house will be pressing in the future from our allies? ...

Eying as a possible day to see some sort of action, invasion. does the white house think that putin could be bluffing? >> about what? >> about his intention to -- >> invade or not invade? >> either way. >> president putin said he doesn't intend to invade. we have also said he's prepared to do that, and has lined up troops at the border to invade. so i don't think we are waiting for president putin's comments to assess what is being prepared around the border. >> do you think that your effort to put all this intelligence out about his, what might happen next might have deterred something that w...

Continue to live their life as if there was not an imminent threat from russia. >> yeah, they have been fighting a war against russia for the better part of the past decade and they know they are in russia's cross hairs, they have been in russia's cross hair. you noted the recent cyber attacks on the ministry of defense and banks, russia wants to severe ukraine's ties with the west. ukraine will not join nato any time soon. france and germany oppose that, but what russia wants to do is ensure that ukraine does not become a vibrant and prosperous democracy, which would threaten vladimir putin's...

Grows out of the barrel of a gun. >> i agree 100% and remember what putin's goals are for ukraine, three fold. first, cause massive economic harm, so the threat of war means that there's a lot of capital flight and investors are wary of putting money in ukraine. his first goal. the second to destabilize ukraine politically. look at president zelensky's poll numbers, they are not that good right now, and that's a factor for russia in advance of the 23 parlimentary elections in ukraine, and the presidential election in 24. and the third point for vladimir putin, veto power over the policy. a mea...