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Companies may have discussed with trump administration officials during and after flynn's tenure at the white house meaning discussed these deals. so is that really kind of the principal exposure for michael flynn that he just didn't fill out forms that disclosed it, or is it the actual deals themselves? >> no, the fs-86 in not putting that on there, that is not the principal problem for michael flynn. that will be a tertiary problem at the least. it's actually going out and arranging these deals. you know, i've said from the very beginning why did these people go and do things which were pate...

To be buried in debt. bill: cut a little deeper, if this bill were signed into law, that what happens? >> that is my opinion. my opinion is it's -- it's very well-intentioned and there are cost control efforts included in the bill, but the fundamental problem here is that we don't have a normal market where health care is concerned and the upshot of that is explosive cost growth, the principal problem has to do with the third party payment system that divorces consumers and providers, physicians, from cost considerations. bill: that's something that's been erodeing in your view. >> it has. the...