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How they became this way. but i also think it's a part of the human condition. and i think it's important that people understand that. part of it, i think, is created at birth, but also a big part of it is how one survives in prison. more often than not, a lot of these stories of violence have occurred in the prison setting. in order to survive in such a violent world, most of these people feel they have to be violent. >> in 1992, robert glenn was sentenced to three years for auto theft. when we met him 15 years later at california state prison corcoran, he was still in prison. and two of his ...

>> san quentin employs a multilevel screening process before inmates are allowed into protective custody in order to ensure that the sny population remains safe. this ex-gang member is currently in ad seg for threatening a cellmate, but he wants to be returned to sny. >> there was a battery that was in 2005, the current charge, though, is of threatening another inmate. >> he doesn't want to be housed with inmates who have sex-related offenses, whether it be against women or children or such. even though he's kind of in the same boats because now he's also requesting protective custody, he has ...

Man? >> he's trying to communicate with another inmate to play chess with him. and they'll do it verbally through the vent system. >> all right, hold on. >> we play by calling out the numbers, like 12 to 28, 52 to 36. he has to have the same type of board, set up 1 through 64. >> 12, 28, man. >> i think most inmates don't want to go to segregation. it's not a pleasant place to live. you get a limited amount of material in your cell. whether that's reading materials. you get no radio, no tv, no walkman. you get limited time out of your cell every day. for most people, even in a prison setting, ...

>> you want to play some chess, man? >> he's trying to communicate with another inmate to play chess with him. and they'll do it verbally through the vent system. >> all right, hold on. >> we play by calling out the numbers, like 12 to 28, 52 to 36. he has to have the same type of board, set up 1 through 64. >> 12, 28, man. >> i think most inmates don't want to go to segregation. it's not a pleasant place to live. you get a limited amount of material in your cell. whether that's reading materials. you get no radio, no tv, no walkman. you get limited time out of your cell every day. for most pe...

What else should have happened to these people? >> i think doctors saez the dean of college of social work at the university of texas testified that there is a whole different treatment. it is a treatment in which yes, they go through a process to establish where there's credible fear. if there's credible fear they are eligible for asylum and refugee status. but they should be with their families. they should be in a setting that is family conducive and not in a setting that is more compassion than punitive and in a prison setting, the harm it does psych logically in the long term and short te...