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State. so, from your perch, looking a this in terms of elections and politics, what is driving this and what does it mean? >> i think it's a race to th bottom there is this extremis republican fight to be the mos dystopian in their policy. what's really challenging, though, for ron desantis - he clearly wants to be president. and we know that the america -- eight out of ten americans support illegal access t abortion, and even in th republican party, a university of north florida study jus showed, the majority o republicans in the state oppos this ban so, it's really hard t understand the stra...

>> and again, just because, we don't know how desantis woul run things as president of the united states. we do know how donald trum would run things this is just our line i want t drill down a little bit here you're saying that trump o desantis or trying to build system like this, i would argu that's exactly what donald trump is trying to build a system where, i mean again not to personalize it, it's pretty good example, he didn't like how i was covering covid, so he started talking about ho i was a murderer and sayin that i needed to be sent t jail for capital murder. he, of course, we can l...

Congress he is a freedom caucus member. one of the first members o congress to endorse ro desantis for president not even in the race but trump's biggest opponent i the republican primary, here you see chip roy coming to donald trump's defense if the trump team looks at thi way, if the battle is betwee trump and so-called libera woke prosecutors, th republicans, even though as we refer to move on from trump, maybe forced to rally to his side politically speaking, it is th kind of thing they are ready t make part of his campaign. personally, donald trump's comfort level with whateve might be co...

Are they really going to pus that this is political political, political like, if they were to choose any investigation to cause indictment, would this be th one republicans want the most? >> yeah i don't know, i don' think any indictment of former president didn't is goo >> yes but they can politicize anything >> and given that the georgi case is also progressing quite quickly and they are both. they could reach pinnacl around the same time so it could actually be multiple grand juries coming forwar with decisions about donal dram you know, it always cuts bot ways with trump, right, he i on t...

Case on a more narrow issue o ukraine, i think that trump an desantis, and especially desantis, they're chasing th voters more than they ar actually leading them. look, the polling data i pretty clear on this that as the months have gone on, mor and more in the gop base hav sort of grown uneasy about our continued intervention with th ukranians. many like the governor o florida sees that, and doesn't want to get on the wrong sid of the primary voters. and yes, that is what they'r focused on right now it's winning that primary. they are not thinking about th broader audience thos who decide the...