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>> right. >> beyond that, congress also does very practical things to prevent a situation in which bob mueller could be fired. already said they're not confirm another attorney general nominee. if trump tried to sort of change the head of the doj to move a chain of command down to fire mueller that would not be an option. also, they've not gone into a real recess over this next couple of weeks, because they don't want to allow any sort of shenanigans in which recess appointments might put someone in place who could lead to a mueller firing situation. i think when i talk to people who have talk...

Is less weighty. because the grand jury has degree of permanency and protection that bob mueller might not have. this legislation is very important because it indicates the level of outrage and opposition that would follow any attempt by donald trump to fire bob mueller. >> something significant happened today. the senate went into the a five-week recess if i'm not mistaken. they flocked what is called a pro forma session. protection that bob mueller might not have. this legislation is very important because it indicates the level of outrage and opposition that would follow any attempt by dona...

They might look at policy agendas and goals but sit not in coordination with this president nor will it be going forward when they get back in september. >> that's a point and it raises something i've noticed which is a difference in the way the senate and the house are behaving. senate republicans have been more independent, they're sort of separated themselves more from the president. i thought very notable that someone like tom tillis that doesn't have a reputation for being a maverick would introduce the legislation that the leadership is going to get a pro forma session. we haven't seen t...

Now coincidence. he's shown she's willing to throw them under the bus and they don't know the next shoe to drop. they might look at policy agendas and goals but sit not in coordination with this president nor will it be going forward when they get back in september. >> that's a point and it raises something i've noticed which is a difference in the way the senate and the house are behaving. senate republicans have been more independent, they're sort of separated themselves more from the president. i thought very notable that someone like tom tillis that doesn't have a reputation for being a ma...

Pro forma session. to essentially make sure that there is, for constitutional purposes, not a recess that the president can appoint someone, were the president to say fire jeff sessions. how significant and important is that step? >> what's really significant is not only that step but i think very strong determination that there be no recess appointment in the attorney general position. and i think again, the firestorm and potential constitutional crisis that would greet this step by donald trump is reflected in that in step by lisa murkowski, senator from alaska. so i think it is important. b...