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Bankrupt after internal upheaval at the organization and thinks they won't have the financial means to harm him during the reelection campaign. that may be the new definition of transactional, peter. >> well, look, you know, he's not wrong that the nra is in the middle of a pretty tough internal moment where they have been at each other's throats over money, leadership, direction and, you know, you don't know whether that will impact their ability to influence elections next year, which is the key question of course but it is interesting because it does suggest the president may be able to tak...

Bankrupt after internal upheaval at the organization and thinks they won't have the financial means to harm him during the reelection campaign. that may be the new definition of transactional, peter. >> well, look, you know, he's not wrong that the nra is in the middle of a pretty tough internal moment where they have been at each other's throats over money, leadership, direction and, you know, you don't know whether that will impact their ability to influence elections next year, which is the key question of course but it is interesting because it does significauggest president may be able to...

Right now is looking like enough for election for him, that can turn into a debacle. >> defeat, the country defeats the first pro-gun for being pro-gun, i'll believe you. i haven't seen that yet. you have to start defeating people who are pro-gun. a little silence. crickets there. >> we've seen victories of people who are for sensible gun regulation. we saw it down in georgia and we saw it in this last election. >> 2/3 of the people changed their mind to talk about other things. the 1/3 that is against doing anything never changes. >> newt gingrich's former district is held by a woman who's so...

They're real policy issues that have real implications. i'm not sure the democratic party is going to go back in terms of being anti-abortion or being pro-gun in the way that they were. is that the right diagnosis about what's wrong with the democrats in talking to rural voter, or is it a totally different conversation? >> well, thing is a couple of different things. in montana i can't win just by going to patches of blue. i have to travel over the 407,000 square mile state. we're not even showing up, we're not ultimately going to win. second of which, if you look over the last decade or so, a...

Elite and cosmopolitan and against them on these issues. i think that was a long-standing diagnosis here. but now we're in sort of a different place. roe v. wade very well may get overturned this year. places where republicans are in control really are looking at banning abortion, and they're starting right now tonight in alabama. you yourself have been through a transformation on gun policy in recent years. those issues aren't just symbols. they're real policy issues that have real implications. i'm not sure the democratic party is going to go back in terms of being anti-abortion or being pro...