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Convicted, that does give mueller some wind at his back. it's very, very important to him. and i think trump understands that. >> it's important to remember, jim, and you've done a lot of reporting on this that manafort was working for pro-russian, pro-putin, pro-kremlin rich guys in ukraine, including viktor yanukovych who was a pro-putin leader of ukraine. and that sort of fits in to this investigation. >> his client -- manafort's client who paid him tens of millions of dollars was not a good guy. he was putin's guy in the ukraine. he was corrupt. accused of overseeing the shooting of civili...

Platform toe make the ukrainian section more pro-putin. so, the entire thrust of the trump campaign, which the issue of a conspiracy with the russian interests, you know, remains the heart of the investigation. manafort's presence in the campaign is evidence of sympathy to putin in and of itself. so in that respect, it's not the criminal charges, but who paul manafort is, is highly relevant to this investigation. >> but jeffrey, if i could just jump in real quick, is there some sort of crime that you're accusing the president of? >> no. i'm not, but you know, when you are asking why the presid...

In fact, it usually doesn't work. but it is a classic and very appropriate defense strategy. gloria, the president's team is trying to distance this entire manafort trial from the campaign, but these ukrainians with whom manafort was working and collected about $60 million, they were very pro-kremlin, pro-putin, pro-russian folks in ukraine. viktor yanukovych, the leader of ukraine at that time, was a close ally of putin's. is that argument going to work? >> well, when he was out of power, the spigot dried up for paul manafort. he wasn't getting all that money anymore. look, the bottom line he...

Today, for example, his lawyers tried exclude from consideration in his trial the nature of the work that manafort did in ukraine when he worked for that pro putin, pro ukrainian strong man president who was ousted in a pop hard uprising in 2014. manafort's lawyers said whoever that was, that would be prejudice information to the jury. would it turn the jury against him. it would be unnecessary to prove or disprove the charges that manafort is facing in virginia. the judge considered that argument today at length. there was a lot of back and forth about that today but the judge said no. the pr...

Mr. manafort that two employees from that bank have been granted immunity to testify for prosecutors in their case against paul manafort. but that is just way in which things have continued to go very badly for mr. manafort in court. he sat in court in a rumpled dark green prison jump suit and not called upon to say anything and he didn't say anything. you can't imagine he is happy with how things are going. he continues to lose either in whole or in part every single substantive motion related to his case. today, for example, his lawyers tried to exclude from consideration the nature of the w...