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This whole world order thing is very real, i think, in the white house, and that's why some of these folks -- >> the point you made earlier about the competing powers, it is fascinating we have a president never been in the military or been in government service. that's never happened in our history. there's an open tug-of-war and a competition for his world view, for his focus. be pro-putin? no, don't do that. say nato is obsolete? no, it's the fundamental source. he is in office, and there's still a tug-of-war for his world view. >> trump surrounded himself with hawkish generals. on the othe...

Sure. and the more that trump does those things, the messier that hearing becomes for tillerson. maybe he still gets through, but it could become a very ugly thing. >> i think tillerson, people will be looking to tillerson to see whethe okay, if donald trump is going to be pro-putin, can we rely on you to be the backstop? >> where's the checks and balances? >> can we rely on you to be the check on the president? and that's going to be very, very interesting to watch. >> well, guess what, we're going to do it here. we're going to take a break. we're minutes away from the hearing beginning. we'l...

Ensure that that didn't happen was to talk to him directly and tell him to cut it out and there were going to be some serious consequences if he didn't. and in fact, we did not see further tampering of the election process. >> but russia has a message back to the u.s. they say, prove it. >> cnn's brian todd has details for us. >> reporter: cnn's intelligence sources say vladimir putin was aware his cyber warriors were hacking into the democratic party during the election cycle. one u.s. official saying the sophistication of the hacking tools used in the attack means higher-level russian author...

Of stuff, that somehow, that would potentially spook the russians. and so, how we approach an appropriate response that increases costs for them for behavior like this in the future but does not create problems for us is something that's worth taking the time to think through and figure out. that's exactly what we've done. >> so, errol, a response here that doesn't have a big, bold exclamation point that a lot of people are looking for. how does this likely sit with democrats who agree with the former cia director who called what russia executed equivalent to 9/11? how are they seeing what the...

President, in recent memory, in modern american history. >> reporter: what does putin stand to gain from trump's presidency? experts say putin's first priority, dealing with the tough economic sanctions on russia. >> russia's been trying to get these lifted without really doing anything in return. they're very much hoping that trump will do that. >> reporter: lifting sanctions on russia is something trump's already said he'll consider. >> we'll be looking at that, yeah, we'll be looking at that. >> reporter: the sanctions were leveled to punish putin's regime for illegally taking over crimea b...