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Let's show some leadership, so i stepped up to say when i review it, i think it's a good thing. it's about being pro-worker, giving freedom of choice to workers. secondly it's about economy development. we will get more and better jobs coming to michigan because we're going to be more competitive. it's important to make a distinction with wisconsin and ohio. that was about collective bargaining. that was about the relationship between employers and unions. this has nothing to do with that. right to work is about the relationship between the union and workers, and this is about being pro-worker...

>> oh, you know, here we go. joining us now from lansing, michigan, the republican governor of michigan, governor rick snyder. the issue at hand, the lead story, and that's the right-to-work legislation. you say it's going to lead to more and better jobs for people in the state of michigan. how? >> well, it will. if you look at -- you just need to look to indiana which passed similar legislation back in february. and the track record's clear. they've had a lot of companies come to indiana and making that one of their decisions to look to indiana. in fact, they've had 31 different companies acc...

>> this is not pro-worker. pro-workers is when you have a transparent process, when you invite workers to the table to be part of that process. and what the governor did with the legislature, by not allowing it to be an open debate, by not allowing the public to take part in this debate is not pro-worker. pro-worker is when you do what we did in the auto crisis, when labor and management get together, and you value what workers have to say, and you value the creativity that they bring to the table and the innovation. this governor is not pro-worker. let's make one thing clear. >> congressman, ...

Cindy estrada of the united auto workers, how could labor not see this coming? >> you know, part of not seeing it coming was because for a long time the governor has said he didn't want this divisive fight. and we went to the table, a number of unions to talk to the governor about how we work together in the same way that we did in the auto industry. so he misled us. he made it sound like he wanted to sit down and figure out how to keep this off the table. but when the time came for him to take leadership and be a real leader, he failed. and he blindsided us, frankly. he was saying that he was...

Pro-workers is when you have a transparent process, when you invite workers to the table to be part of that process. and what the governor did with the legislature, by not allowing it to be an open debate, by not allowing the public to take part in this debate is not pro-worker. pro-worker is when you do what we did in the auto crisis, when labor and management get together, and you value what workers have to say, and you value the creativity that they bring to the table and the innovation. this governor is not pro-worker. let's make one thing clear. >> congressman, this cuts right to the fabr...