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Said that he relied on speculation from the case and the that the case was ruled homicide without any medical evidence. fred, let's ask you about that. the report again, obtained by "the new york times," the prosecutors have not publicly released it but "the times" says, it says that the cause of death was drowning due to plug being removed by some other person. does that wash? >> right. well, actually it does wash, jon. what the defense lawyer is upset about this examiner will get on witness stand to testify about these facts and their concern that the examiner is carries imprimatur about exp...

With that engineer will be critical. >> right, and it will be a formal interview with all the parties to the investigation, including amtrak and anybody else that may be a party to that investigation. >> how hard is it going to be to establish a manifest of the passengers given the fact that although the train tickets i gather are computerized even on unreserved trains people could decide at the last minute not to get on. >> yes. that's been a problem. any passenger trains that's been the ease of tracking passengers on aircraft but not on passenger trains even on subways, always a problem find...

Have gone to prison. it doesn't matter what kind of laws you create, in my opinion you need to beef up prosecutions and you need to maybe streamline the judges and prosecutors and get these folks after these people. it's not been a problem finding them and putting hem in jail. i don't think we have a big enough justice department. >> i don't know emac -- okay, but i still am not vinsd that with a government this size you're going to stop corruption with the right law. >> you can. there's no shortage of laws, there's shortage of backbone. that's the issue. we have, instead, we're' lying on insp...

We see this at campus reform quite a bit. professors stepping up in front of their class, using their position of inflawns and advancing a narrative to people who are not generally informed politically. >> isn't that -- i mean, isn't that college? i mean, you know, does anyone truly think that, you know, what this guy says is going to color someone's political ideology for the rest of his life? you have an exchange of ideas in college and some are extreme on both sides. >> well, the exchange of ideas becoming less and less. we are seeing the same ideas being put before these students time and ...

Know what, i disagree with what he's saying but i love the guy. >> it's the 90 miles an hour concept. i would say if you go 90 miles an hour in politics, nobody stops you. you look at george bush -- a lot of people forget george w. supported self-weapons ban. he supported background check. he was moderate on immigration than other people. he did it unapologetically. i mentioned this yesterday. there's something about jeb, almost jon huntsman like, sort of this heavy burden. it's almost like the republican party is a weight on his shoulders, whereas, george w. had no problem finding himself as ...