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When we both finally sat down and it was one-on-one, i was stunned. he became this very calm, somber, self-reflective person who was very honest. >> i have spent over half of my adult life locked up. i was running the streets. i learned how to pickpocket and steal from stores. i didn't have time to sit here, i want to be a doctor when i grow up, or anything. i want to be an astronaut. i never was able to think of nothing like that. >> reporter: witty said in his early teens he joined one of tulsa's street gangs. >> when i was about 12 1/2, almost 13, i learned how to sell drugs. i learned how ...

When we both finally sat down and it was one-on-one, i was stunned. he became this very calm, somber, self-reflective person who was very honest. >> roughly i have spent over half of my adult life locked up. i was running the streets. i learned how to pickpocket and steal from stores. i didn't have time to sit here, i want to be a doctor when i grow up, or anything. i want to be an astronaut. i never was able to think of nothing like that. >> witty said in his early teens he joined one of tulsa's street gangs. >> when i was about 12 1/2, almost 13, i learned how to sell drugs. i learned how to...

Gary, i want to start with you. off complicated or interesting dichotomy here.rikers and an inmate. so these inmates staged a dry run. they might have been climbing around in those walls and tunnels for months and months without being detected. my question to you as a guard, how does a guard not see that? how can guys be climbing around in those walls night after night for months and months without being detected. is this a case of guys not doing their jobs? guards missing signs or deliberately ignoring things that are going on? >> it could be a combination of everything that you mentioned. it...

We're going to put him in the restraint chair due to behavior. inmate gomes, if you don't comply with me you're going to be sprayed with chemical agent and placed in a restraint chair. >> for what? >> i'm going to give your final order to place your hands through the trap. if you don't comply, you'll be extracted from your cell. turn around and put your hands through the trap. >> why are you doing this to me? >> turn around and place your hands through the trap. >> every week you ask me to do this -- >> i'm not going to answer anything because i'm giving you an order to put your hands through ...

In, so now the searches are on more thoroughly than they've ever been, and i understand it's his job, and i ain't mad, but i'm saying kindly, i ain't comfortable. >> the reality, are you looking at time after you get out of jail? are you looking at prison time? >> no, i ain't going back to the penitentiary. i'm ready to get out. i ain't never going back. >> it's even worse there. >> yeah. strip-searched, you know. i know all of it, the strip-searching, bending over, coughing, squatting, all of that, but they don't do that. they definitely don't put their hands right here in the crease like tha...