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And the president's relationship with governor christie, who after all is the guy that gave the keynote at the republican, it's undercut. there's been a sliver of movement in the president's direction in some places. it's partly due to that. undecided voters and independent voters care a lot about that process argument. that's helped the president make it. >> he's shown leadership and gives him an opportunity to leadership. >> it does. i think it's been a good couple weeks for the president. clearly, if you're a betting person, that's the way you'd bet your money. you wouldn't necessarily slee...

Most of those voters who would been predisposed to be against the president anyway but on the energy side, it will intensify their desire to fight this issue out. >> susan -- >> it will apply pressure on the romney campaign as they try to figure out where they will come down on a policy response. >> there is very rarely -- i feel there's very rarely on issues that are this hot button, very rarely a 100% winner in anything. susan, the thing that keeps cropping up to me and republicans bring up to me politically on this, is look, there are plenty of independents out there who may not know every ...

To get reagan democrat, as they used to be called, to vote republican. he's going to need them for republicans to win the white house. and he says something hateful and stupid and not funny and disrespectful to both the president and to the victims of this oceanliner disaster. and he thinks that that is the way to appeal to the middle. in your study of the american electorate, john, call it fairly now, is that the way to appeal to the middle? >> lawrence, i'd go further than that -- further than just saying no. i'd say it's just plainly dopey. and it's dopey and ineffective and foolish. and it...

Argument. he's trying to say, the president should lose some points because he's out campaigning too much. how many american voters care about that kind of process argument, whether they're centrist voters, base voters, any kind of voter. it's a terrible mishandling. on top of the fact that it doesn't work with independents, it also inflames the president's base. there's nothing that david plouffe and david axelrod and the white house worry about more than the democratic base deciding to stay home in november. this just inflames them in a way that is just going to motivate them to turn out, ou...

To see one and it would have been noncontroversial had the republicans not made this a process argument. yeah, frankly, i think most americans don't really care what section of the calendar it comes up on, what day it comes up on, what the rules are. they want to see their representative vote up or down on some of these things. we ducked and bond in the health care debate. look at the united states senate. they talk about a filibuster and run for the bills. they don't have up or down votes. what is tragic and angering about this process when push came to shove, never mind what the process was,...