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Trading criminally, but she went to jail in west virginia for five months for a process crime. for lying to investigators. i think most of the people who have entered guilty pleas related to the mueller investigation so far, it's related to lying to the fbi for a process crime. one thing we do know about roger stone, "the wall street journal" reported earlier this week that they have subpoenaed material related to roger stone. these were conference calls he was doing, and advertising. they have also gotten his text messages to special counsel, media and social media messages. they both informa...

Perspective, that's the right approach. i'm sure his lawyers would strongly disagree with that. >> dagen: but the goal is to keep the president -- to keep him out of harm's way. it is pretty -- it has become pretty clear that this is a perjury trap. they would try to trap them in a process crime, if you will. because they can't nail him on anything related to colluding with russia. >> trish: if someone's gunning for you, after careful pride i think they have been gunning for him. his lawyers are doing the right thing in terms of protecting him. i think it is challenging for him, because i thin...

Between the trump campaign and somebody in the russian government. does it >> so far it doesn't show existence of a conspiracy much less charging anybody with collusion. if there's anybody he's charged at this point who is doing something at least in the zone of collusion, it would have been george papadopoulos, and he was only charged with a process crime, lying to the fbi and he was given a very light sentence. so i think we're still very far from the central mission of this special counsel's investigation, being born out by the charges that have been brought. jon: the trump campaign has ass...

But i have always said, morgan, if we want the truth and the whole truth and nothing but that out of this investigation that we have spent months and a lot of money on, there are many questions only donald trump himself can answer. >> morgan: i have not talked about perjury, but i've talked about the perjury trap. which i've seen him play out, let's get martha stewart on the phone, who went to prison for five months for lying to investigators. she wasn't even under oath, related to a stock sale. again, a process crime. the fbi can lie to you. if you lie to the fbi, if you tell a favorite, they...

Call me comey. >> what you are looking at right now is a couple of democrats. you mentioned rob blagojevich, no crime proven there. martha stewart, they try to get them on this process crime. it would absolutely be just for him to pardon her and others who have been unjustly which hunted for the purpose of their own careers. nobody today can doubt that james comey and also patrick fitzgerald who was a two-time or their, they acted in their own self interest. they should not be allowed to abuse their positions to do this, and other democratic and americans would applaud the president for writin...