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Staged by the ruling class against a president they didn't pick, if people really believe that, that is a disaster, and shouldn't the justice department be doing everything it can to make sure that people don't think that, that they think this is legitimate? >> i think we have to let it play out, tucker, before we make a judgment about what people will think about it. for all of the heavy breathing that has gone on, there've been three sets of charges, one indictment that doesn't havet anything to do with the 2016 election or president trump, and two process crimes that also don't have anythin...

To anyone. >> buck: that is an excellent point. all we have seen. >> lisa: thank you, buck. >> buck: i really was struck by it that is so important here. >> lisa: thank you. >> buck: it's process crimes. now when we are talking about privilege and communications with lawyers and trying to not get caught up in process crimes they are hiding behind lawyers. general flynn should have been hiding behind lawyers. >> katie: congress say they have launched all of these investigations at the taxpayer expense to get to the bottom of russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. yet, they are talk...

Walked in, walked out, he's on his own pr and is probably not going to spend a moment in prison so the message something important there are two important caveats. one, the general flynn's credibility as a witness has been damaged. is damaged. and most people would find him to be unbelievable. unless it's corroborated. and then secondly, that the, the case in and of itself is, is doesn't show any substantive charges. what you have is plea agreements for both papadopoulos and general flynn, process crimes. these are crimes of lying. but there's been no allegations to date and no evidence presen...

Search his wife to see if she has an ak-47 and they go through the house not to get the goods on him but just to find a process crimes. you know, a little thing -- >> neil: you think this is all about, you know, putting pressure on him to do what? to circle in on trump? what? >> absolutely. they're trying to turn him to get to trump. people think this is clever. it has a long history in america of, i would say, the corruption of federal justice. he knows that if he's dragged into court, your friend, conrad black likes to point out, that -- >> neil: a publisher. >> in federal court, the united ...

Sessions oversees the fbi who is playing a huge role in this and the whole justice department. three crews all calls may end up being successful. different story for these calls for a special prosecutor. those goals and crazy directions sometimes. there may be absolutely no lawbreaking here, then they focus on process crimes, perjury, or making false statements, and then they go all over the place. they end up in a very mottled way. just look at the cia leak investigation during the george w. bush years which was a special prosecutor. not sure that's exactly what democrats want, they may be sm...