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Vote on the impeachment inquiry. and now republicans are saying that vote isn't good enough. so, the president's essentially saying, you need to keep adjusting because i need you to be loyal to me. >> how does that work, michael? the president and his allies said vote. he said testify publicly. if they get both, then what? >> look, i mean, this is the problem, trying to defend the president on substance is like building a house on quicksand. you can't do it. you can argue process fouls or you could argue that what he did was wrong but doesn't rise to the level of removing him from office a yea...

Have primary source witnesses who are able to -- >> especially with the president threatening and republicans threatening to essentially out this person's identity. >> exactly. although, that's one reason why we can expect republicans to essentially demand that this whistle-blower come. because they're going to want to drill down on any sort of process fouls and anything they can do to divert from the substance of the issue and talk about whether or not this whistle-blower complaint was properly handled. >> the president wants him to show up. what do you think, jeffrey? >> well, i think that's...

So when the institutions of government are under mined in this fashion this is the situation we find ourselves in. >> they're going to go back and look at this server that is supposed to be used for only very specific purposes. according to the whistle-blower complaint, white house officials told them that it was not the first time under this administration that a presidential transcript was placed into this code word level system, specifically for protecting sensitive rather than national security sensitive information. that is an entire hour of conversation, but if nancy pelosi wants to keep...

Which would be a major, major problem. look -- and i don't know if it's in there -- maria: [inaudible] >> i can't for the life of me understand -- well, why would you not be public about this? we've had this special counsel now, it goes on and on and on, it never ends. they're getting people on process fouls, they put forth information that makes it look like -- it's nice storytelling -- maria: yeah. >> -- because when you read these indictments, it reads like a secret spy novel of all these characters hanging out with russia. but the truth is they're getting them for process fouls, and they'r...

When you look at the two different investigations and the filibuster investigation, the senate seeping to move ahead more quickly and in a more orderly say, a more bipartisan way. are you confident the senate will get somewhere before anyone else? >> yeah. so i think one important thing, kate, we've been using the word process. process is really important. it can keep the politics down to a minute mimum. what the senate is doing, so we can understand with regard to russia and russia's intentions toward united states and our elections. i think that's a proefessional way to approach this. the ho...