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From free trade on balance the country has done much better from free trade and i mean, allowed what they call the butler and the royal tenenbaum, peter navarro to sneak around and get into the oval office, get the last word in and you have this circus where they brought in the steel executives, trump had this meeting and then on the way out the reporters asked him what are you going to do and he announced this policy on the way out of a meeting when there was no policy. it hadn't been through the office of legal counsel and gary cohn is a process guy and i think he said to himself, what do i ...

Importantly, white house legal counsel. the president said this is an issue of national security. that's why we need to move forward with the tariffs and were the tariffs supposed to hit china? it's about canada and mexico and we heard from mattias, tillerson potentially saying this will hurt national security. if gary cohn is in the white house to focus on economic issues and he cannot get the president to listen to all sides and we could be moving to a direction that would hurt our economy, what's he going to stay for? >> if he's a process guy, though, and he wants a deliberate process and d...

Precincts of power. i think gary cohn is going to be loyal and low key and what you lose is an enormously -- i don't agree with gary cohn with a lot of things, the tax bill and whatever, certainly i do on trade, but he's a solid guy who knew what he was doing and to have him gone and the question of who's going to go and take that job not with standing trump saying everybody wants to work in the white house, whether you're going to get someone with gary cohn's caliber i think is questionable. >> it's going to be difficult to recruit people into this white house, the legal jeopardy, a lot of th...

I'm back now with general michael hayden. i want to -- i want to talk to you before we get to north korea, let's talk about things happening at the white house. h.r. mcmaster could be out maybe by the end of the month or sometime soon. what do you make of that reporting. >> this is like a sine wave reporting from the white house. occurring every three or four weeks. i do think the relationship between h.r. and the president is not what you would want with a national security adviser. look, don, unless you hired a kissinger or another, national security adviser is a process guy. in that job to ...

A lot of reports including our own reporting that mcmaster could be out at the end of the month. we all know it has happened to michael flynn. this turnover, how does it impact national security? >> it can't be good. what we're seeing is we're seeing this story appear on about a 30-day sine wave. and i think that's a reflection. >> i think it might be a problem. the problem is process. unless your national security adviser is brent scowcroft, it is your process guy. he is the one who imposes order and discipline and sequence. and he dislikes all of those virtues. so i think we see this recurri...