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White house and blamed the fbi for the talking points. they said that was inaccurate. what do you know about him and why this situation? >> it's a great question. i know him and he's great. and i know katherine, and her reporting is always on the mark. what katherine's reporting, as you pointed out, there are serious process problems in cranking these talking points up for the white house. i think the issue, the real issue here is that cia decided to write the talking points. we never did that. we could have a good day in the oval and steve would call us up and say that was a great briefing, t...

Political reasons. do you believe that that was a real problem, and has it been cleared up? >> well, fareed, i think it's now been pretty clearly established that the irs in its implementation of the tax-exempt program was making lists and scrutinizing not just one side but both sides of the political ledger. they were trying to implement the program to determine whether or not there was political activity. i've said many times that they exercised bad judgment and the criteria they used in terms of identifying institutions. but i think it's been carrily established that it was not politically ...