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Blockers, we don't know the long-term side effects. i must point out to show the other side of this, plenty of people who go through gender reassignment are happier as a result, not that we are against it, but when it is considered and who doesn't does it, not all doctors should be compelled to tow the line, that is not what medicine is about. >> these medical organizations, is this something you can see going forward or is this something that will be held up in court's? where are with with that? >> everything is held up in the courts because it is always political but from a medical point the...

These rebels. it already -- it doesn't seem like he has much to give beyond that. >> i don't want to comment on details because i haven't seen what was discussed. i think it would be good for us to hear what is discussed. before anyone will make final decisions, we'll hear this in conference. but legislative process should never be easy. votes should never be easy. we shouldn't be producing legislation without debate and looking into things. it shouldn't be force everyone to vote. this is not how legislative process work. open process is tough, but that's what we came here to do. and we have t...

Mean, think of how politicians at times in elections mislead people, where does it stop? so the best process is to let the process work. and that is to refer him to the ethics committee. and at the same time, either there are a number of investigations going on. and did he violate some law in the process of this. look, he is not going to be there for long. there is going to be so much pressure on him to leave, and i think at some point he will leave. i hope when that happens, he is able to leave cleanly and hopefully not harm himself in the process. when you think about all the things he's say...

Saying they want to refund, even though they may have no legal mechanism, that could have some effect. >> here, so governor kasich, when you look at the options here, as someone who served in the house for nearly two decades. tell us more about the recourse for members to potentially hold santos accountable? >> well i think he has to be returned to the ethics committee. first of, all you think what -- should they not see him. the crossed my mind. i've had discussions of people. the problem with that, pamela, is the people did vote for him. and if you were to begin to say, well, we will not see...

Now that the justice department thinks or says they don't have all of this stuff, how does this process work as far as you know? >> so this whole issue is absolutely crazy. the fact that we have to sit there, and play this game with a former president of the united states. i want my documents back? he's not entitled to them, first and foremost, they are not his. second of all, we know he has more documents. we know that because in the file folder, it specifically states them row documents in their. well obviously, there are more that are out there. on top of that, we should find out whether or...