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You have to see the fisa documents to know. >> our sources who have seen the fisa document told us that. >> not impressed. a guy who went to the white house to deal with an oversight matter. he should have never done that. his credibility is in doubt. >> we know the first time the department of justice went to the fisa court to ask for an application to spy on members of the trump campaign, it was denied. they came back six months later. >> that's not unusual. that's the process working. it doesn't show political motivation. >> 2% is how often it's denied. >> i'm saying we're all on the same p...

You have to see the fisa documents to know. >> our sources who have seen the fisa document told us that. >> not impressed. not this is a guy who went to the white house to deal with an oversight matter. his credibility is in doubt. >> we know the first time the department of justice went to the fisa court to ask for an application to spy on members of the trump campaign, it was denied. >> that's not unusual. that's the process working. it doesn't show political motivation. >> 2% is how often it's denied. >> i'm saying we're all on the same page on two points. one, let it all come out. >> yes. ...

In fact, mccabe situation illustrates an organization committed to the truth looks like. with investigated. i ordered that investigation. we investigated. hold people accountable. good people lie. what do you think of that, josh? >> well, it's true. if you think about all the people you have known that you have worked with, maybe your friends. no one out there who isn't is lied. that doesn't mean they can't be good people. in the case of mccabe, there is a process in place to hold accountable those who stray. in this case, according to the inspector general, it looks like he lied. severe actio...

Americans in general are particularly happy with senators and lawmakers in washington. is trump on to something here in effect taking it to the establishment as it were republican party? >> well, congress's approval ratings have always been -- not always, but lately business mali low and i suppose it is easy if your approval ratings are equally low. but that's kind of been the way it's been for a while. and, yeah, he can make political headway off of that, but i don't think it's going to shake lawmakers to their core. they believe in some of these strictures about the why legislative process w...

The media frenzy about russia and all of us feel that way. we want to work on problems people care about. >> arthel: did you get a chance to speak with the president? did you speak with him about healthcare? do you get the impression that president trump has a clear direction in which he would like to see healthcare go and something that would be a solution to repeal and replace obama care? >> i had a great conversation. what i took away was we have been talking about this for a long time, we did not have a president who would sign a bill. now are playing with live ammunition, i will sign some...