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The next couple of weeks until he's completely debriefed and rock solid. >> conversations have been going on for a few day heres. there was a proffer session he was given some indication of what he has of information he could provide. for the record it took 25 minutes for it to be read i gather from its entirety. >>tist interesting the proffer session was exceedingly long. usually you just put in basically mutt you need to do to make the facts, but this went on forever about every single thing including all the underlying facts in the virginia case and the d.c. case in which he not only had to...

Lawyers have, you know, always sort of signaled they didn't really believe that manafort could offer mueller very much. but that's an open question and the way the process would normally work is there would be what's called a proffer session so that manafort could lay out a little of what he knows, if he wanted to do that. as far as we can tell, there hasn't been much interest in that proffer session so far. >> harry, take me inside with the mueller prosecutors, what they are thinking. they've got him convicted on eight counts. standing trial on some similar -- many similar charges. do they ne...

About this immunity, why does he immediate immunity in the first place? >> defense lawyers are cautious and this is a complicated white collar investigation. defense lawyers never know exactly what prosecutors are looking for so it is often the case that they say to prosecutors, look. my guy won't talk to you unless you give him immunity. that doesn't mean he is guilty of any crime. that doesn't mean he's even being investigated for any crime but he was certainly involved with michael cohen. we know he was referred to on the tape that cnn made public. so his lawyers said, he needs immunity bef...

Thing. if you lie to the prosecutors or the fbi during that session, you can be prosecuted for that. so a proffer session obviously occurred and my bet is that in that proffer session, gates revealed, russian connections. because the manafort indictment indicates that the road to russia leads 32 you the ukraine, where manafort had a lot of connections. when those connections started to close down, they were russian connections, because it was a russian government in the ukraine at that time. and those connections led back to russia and, you know, i think that mueller saw that right away. i mea...

Election? and gates has a lot to say about that. gates might even know, well, gates might even know what happened at this infamous meeting with donald trump, jr. in which the russians came, he held the meeting in order to get dirt on hillary clinton. everyone said, nothing happened at that meeting. manafort was at that meeting. likely he told gates what happened at that meeting. so there is a lot of information gates could have. one about these contacts with the russian intelligence agent and about manafort and other actions in the company. >> in order for gates to have got an plea deal, can y...