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>> can i just say one thing about the debate we need to have? this has become -- one of the problems with the debate is it's a values war. it's perceived as urban versus rural and frankly perceived as an attack on the lifestyle of rural people by urban people. and i admire mayor bloomberg enormously. but it's counterproductive to have him as the spokesperson for the gun law movement. there has to be more respect and more people frankly from rural and red america who are participants in this. >> can i say something about the urban? isn't it interesting, not as dramatic incident as this but not ...

And the senator on that point before we take a break. >> can i just say one thing about the debate we need to have? this has become -- one of the problems with the debate is it's a values war. it's perceived as urban versus rural and frankly perceived as an attack on the lifestyle of rural people by urban people. and i admire mayor bloomberg enormously. there's probably no politician i agree with more. but it's counterproductive to have him as the spokesperson for the gun law movement. there has to be more respect and more people frankly from rural and red america who are participants in this....

Are victims of profiling, racial profiling and police profiling, so that profiling doesn't seem to work. it seems to hype up our vigilance to say we're going to find out what were these problem citizens are and we focus on them. the problem is not what we see with the kids. let's look what happen with our people who don't get profiled and they murder our children. >> senator, quickly respond to that, the aspect of more guns being introduced, a national equation, part of school security needs to be armed guards on campus. >> is this the way we want america go? in other words, the rights of the ...

About the debate we need to have? this has become -- one of the problems with the debate is it's a values war. it's perceived as urban versus rural and frankly perceived as an attack on the lifestyle of rural people by urban people. and i admire mayor bloomberg enormously. there's probably more politician i agree with more. but it's counterproductive to have him as the spokesperson for the gun law movement. there has to be more respect and more people frankly from rural and red america who are participants in this. >> can i say something about the urban? isn't it interesting, not as dramatic i...

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