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Thing, but excessive secrecy about the program itself, why the hell would angela merkel be -- her cell phone, why would we be looking at that. >> at some point you have to do a cost benefit analysis. >> well, not a cost benefit analysis, we need an answer. >> you have to say is it worth -- >> no, no, we need an answer of who did this, why was it done, why did it start in the bush years, why didn't somebody -- maybe there's something we don't know about merkel. >> and what about -- >> there's something total crazy about this. >> what about the president, what would be worse if he knew or didn't...

Got them and we've got means testing in effect for the program exchanges, we got that and maybe a couple more things. but i think he might be able to get medical devices. that's the tricky one. that robs the program of about $5 billion over two years, about $29 billion over ten years or so. and the question then is, is that considered a mortal wound or serious wound against obama care? if the president believes it is, it's a real underfinancing of obama care which will hurt it down the road, he's going to have to reject it. if, on the other hand, he says we can afford this and some people say ...

And elizabeth warren, she runs the t.a.r.p. program, which is not a very popular program itself, but elizabeth warren is in charge of keeping track of the money. and of late the government has been saying that money's coming back in, so maybe her story has gotten a little bit more favorable in recent days, on capitol hill, are they gearing up? is this going to be a big fight or are people waiting to see who it is? >> people are waiting, but obviously they're gearing up, as it happens with every single supreme court pick, we have the name, every interest group has the names and they're doing th...

The doctor fix the president says that is 371 billions. they are pushing that outside of this bill. then double counting revenues from social security, from this new class act program and duck counting medicare cuts. >> greta: are they right in saying -- we should be cutting down on fraud regardless, we should have been doing that for years is there a way to quantify have a determined effort to cut out fraud? >> medicare fraud is already a illegal. we've been trying to get at medicare fraud for 40 years. another example of why we shouldn't have the government take over this sector of our econo...

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