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One that didn't have insurance. i vetoed that as well and they overroad it. in the past there have been a number of things done differently than we anticipated at the time. one of them is we laid out in our schedule that everybody receiving help would have to pay something for their insurance. no one would get it free. but the people who now run the program say, oh, no, the poor shldn't have to pay anything. look, in my view everybody should pay something. people don't value something they get for free. so there are a number of things that i don't like about the final legislation. i hope that ...

Gufrl agulf and now in africa as well. u.s. military and administration officials tell us that, look, there's no sense that this virus which has infected these pilot systems, operational systems has gleaned any kind of classified information or cause good damage, but several attempts to get rid of it have been unsuccessful so it has raised some alarms, but people so far in the military, in particular, who are involved in this program say, look, we're very much concerned. we're trying to get rid of it and we're trying to find out where it originated, but so far nobody's panicked, chris. >> what...

Oil situation and pushing clean energy. can you do both? that's my question. >> of course you can do both. but don't discourage oil by stopping us from drilling, not letting us go back to the gulf. don't discourage cokoldiscouragg down the coal mine, by all means, encourage green but if you discourage at this moment when we're so vulnerable to what's going on in the middle east, that's not a really sound policy. that's my opinion. >> and egypt not a big oil producer but their transportation, you know, the suez canal, that's key and that -- >> i had a columnist on my program say, look, you have...

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Those who support the cia program say that clearly khaled shaikh mohammed's mind was changed by the waterboarding and that's why he provided the name. those who oppose the program say it was unconnected to the waterboarding because that name was provided several months later. i think that's what we're seeing in the debate in washington. but the bottom sign, there is no dispute on either side that the initial thread came from the cia program in 2003 then there was an eight-year effort to build up that picture that ultimately led to the compound. jenna: we'll lead the partisan sides to themselve...