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Who are going to push and push and push until at a minimum, we have a well informed public who, they have the facts and they can make their own determination. >> one of the major truths here, the conversation we're having tonight, the very strong debates that have occurred in the congress most recently about the loss by 12 votes to shut down these nsa programs, the fact that there will be three hearings on wednesday. they're all responsible because of what ed snowden did. we had the director of national intelligence office say, their goal was do keep the program secret forever. they tried. the...

The so-to-speak sin, my son that revealed these instead of the sins, the actual revelations. it is clear they don't want to discuss that. when i say the truth is coming, there are certain folks, myself included that will push and push and push until we have a well-informed public and they have the fakts and make their own determination. >> the conversation we are having tonight, the strong debates that have occurred in the congress most recently a vote that lost by 12 votes to shut down nsa programs. the fact there are three hearings on wednesday. they are all responsible because of what ed sn...

Jenna: that's just a snip pet of the hearing. steve, what is the general tone of the hearing? >> well, as you heard this widespread opposition to the surveillance program and members of the house judiciary committee have different reasons for opposing it. at issue, the secret data gathering by the national security agency uncovered by former n.s.a. technology expert and now leaker, edward snowden. congress has called on the carpet officials from the n.s.a., the department of justice and the office of the director of national intelligence. the committee wants to find out whether the domestic sp...