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Libertarians when he was a senator. i think he's now had five years of briefings that are terrifying. and he is trying to communicate a balance of the two. i don't think particularly agree with some of his steps he's taken. and i think they're driven by polls and by political pressure. but i understand what he's trying to accomplish. >> you know the president, stephanie, well. is he that conflicted, tore mentalitied inside, or this pressure he's under to protect national security or privacy? >> i wouldn't call it conflict, but i would say he's the first president that's had to deal with these ...

They'll go in and defend their child. the school says one word against another word, we're going to let it go on. it's like the movie mean girls. the internet has made it worse. schools have to toughen up. parents need to get involved. this is where the local media can be of help to put pressure on schools and school districts to put really harsh penalties in place and zero tolerance. >> last word to bob. i'm sorry we're running out of time. why do you think the programs aren't working? >> part of a program ought to be the punishment. that kid, that horrible video, you know what should have ha...

They'll go in and defend their child. the school says one word against another word, we're going to let it go on. it's like the movie mean girls. the internet has made it worse. schools have to toughen up. parents need to get involved. this is where the local media can be of help to put pressure on schools and school districts to put really harsh penalties in place and zero tolerance. >> last word to bob. i'm sorry we're running out of time. why do you think the programs aren't working? >> part of a program ought to be the punishment. that kid, that horrible video, you know what should have ha...

Let's take a look at what he said then so many months later. let's watch. >> it was a very unfortunate statement that i made. it's not what i meant. i didn't express myself as i wished i would have. you know, when you speak in private, you don't spend as much time thinking about how something could be twisted and distorted and can come out wrong and be used. but, you know, i did, and it was very harmful. what i said is not what i believe. >> wow. >> it's not right wing, left wing, upper class, rich screwing people. it's political confidence. that guy should never have been president of the uni...

Other crowd of people who depend on some of these programs aren't going to vote for me. so i need you even more. it was a pitch is what it was. >> there's no question about it. that interview, that clip that you just played was the turning point. that was the tipping point. that's when this man decided that he was going to go public. and he chose my venue, "the ed show," because we advocate for workers. we've been doing that since the day -- >> i was going to ask you about your trade craft and how you got this get. it's just he came to you and he said this is my guy, you know, as simple as tha...