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Just took a while to materialize. teams of people have gotten back together, and there is some progress, headway. and that's essentially what it's going to take. groups of people that will then come to some agreement. so it's my understanding that we're headed that direction right now. >> okay. if you're headed in that direction, if that's what happens and you do get a few votes tonight, obviously you need more than a few. >> that's right. >> you need to get some of those individuals who have said they will absolutely never vote for kevin mccarthy to either vote for him or to be pushed somehow...

To get some understanding. it's just been a longer process than what we would have wanted. and it's been a public debate and that makes it even harder. and so we're going to keep moving. republicans are still trying to stick together and get together. and i think getting three or four, five more people will be progress. >> he three or four or five -- well, it would be the first movement we've seen in days. but there are a few complicating factors. and let me ask you about one of them, congressman. and that is that some in your party are going to be gone tomorrow. they have other things they ne...

Apparently need to leave town as well. but the issue on the republican side, that means if there are four republicans that are leaving, assuming they're in the pro-mccarthy camp that's not helpful for his quest to get to 218. so they're hoping that they can reach? s some sort of agreement with the republicans and get a vote to adjourn the chamber, potentially adjourning until monday. if they can get an agreement or make some progress within the next 24 hours. because the democrats i'm told are not willing to kick this into next week. they're fine to go through the weekend. but the republicans ...

The decision has to be made there also. >> and so where are you in your bottom line right now? do you still believe that the outcome of this is going to be speaker kevin mccarthy or not? >> if you listen to the hardest-core seven or eight, they have told me they will never yield. >> so the hardest-core seven or eight will never yield. that means no speaker mccarthy unless you get there some other way. a rules change, you work with democrats. are you now entertaining that idea? >> no. no. i think that let's find out what this newest deal is and how the reaction will be to those seven or eight. ...

An incredible breakthrough for them, scott. if that were to happen, big if, there is something psychological that would then play out. i don't know how. but it would. so when he's saying it could influence others, it's possible, right? we're looking at -- that is conceivable. >> yeah. i mean, progress is better than no progress. but then, you know, two seconds later he tells you there's seven or eight -- >> seven or eight, which by the way we've been saying dpfive or six. >> he was down to six or seven there at the end. >> six or seven were willing to make -- he thinks are in the camp he can w...