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Case of the larger progressive argument on the democratic side as well. i mean, as rick was just making the conservatives art against the mushy middle, the progressive democrats are making that argument against a mushy middle for 2020, and how well both of these candidates do in ohio will be a bit of a harbinger for that. >> david, ask you quickly. a lot of controversy. you may have heard something about this at the white house correspondents' dinner and whether the comedic approach was appropriate. you want to weigh in on that? >> yeah. i mean, i watched the white house correspondents' dinner...

Now syria in 2012 are ill legitimate -- >> that was not one -- that was hardly the main argument against iraq. >> let me -- we can relitigate iraq but i rather not right now. we can make a list of 100 pages of the arguments against iraq. >> i don't think that there is a big progressive argument in favor of supporting legitimacy of the assad government. i think that's a strong man. you know, this is a -- people want to see -- >> actually, i think -- i think there is a question about what you do in the face of the veto. for me. >> the question is what is the next move? >> kosovo was a move we we...