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Electability in this race. >> this is the raging debate, brian, that democrats have been having this entire cycle and it started even after 20 -- immediately after 2016 and it's whether or not democrats just want someone that can beat trump and right now biden seems to be winning that argument and claiming that mantle but there is opposite which is that maybe we shouldn't go the route we always go, which is with another older white male and with some return to normalcy. maybe democrats should go towards a more progressive candidate and so that's the argument that people like sanders and warren...

Salable in states that are not california. >> he's so right. so many people especially some older folks in the democratic party are warning if you embrace the far left, you will hand reelection to donald trump and the party has to go after electability in this race. >> this is the raging debate, brian, that democrats have been having this entire cycle and it started even after 20 -- immediately after 2016 and it's whether or not democrats just want someone that can beat trump and right now biden seems to be winning that argument and claiming that mantle but there is opposite which is that mayb...

>> beto is more of a moderate centrist democrat. policy wise, beto o'rourke has voted for the disastrous trade agreement like tpp which was horrible for american workers as we know, he voted. -- deregulate wall street a couple times. he doesn't support medicare for all despite its popularity among even more moderate democrats and that is a huge turnoff for progressives. rob: from what i understand you are more for bernie guy and you think beto is trying to hitch his ideals to bernie's and play off of that energy from the far left. is that what you are saying? >> that is part of it and i think ...

Kerry. the second thing is there's no major front-runner in this race included but the thought we're going to go to the more progressive candidate is probably not true. the other thing as you covered is seven states have gone from caucuses to open primaries in the 2020 election, which is going to open it up to a much bigger group of people, including independents and republicans in the democratic primary. and likely go to electing or nominating a more electable candidate in the general election. >> you ran in 2004. you were a pretty pro grisive candidate if i remember correctly, more in line w...

So it says more about how they would like to kill her candidacy than it does about her and her style. paul: what about the question of elec electability. she's saying i could win against donald trump. >> there's something to it. you had the same sort of thing happen in 2016 with hillary clinton and bernie sanders, bernie sanders saying he was the more progressive candidate, hillary clinton saying i'm the one that could win, but she didn't win in the end. paul: i think a lot of democrats this year, jason, are saying to themselves you know what, donald trump is going to lose, as they look at pol...