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Remember, this is -- while the rhetoric, the volley back and forth is bilateral between the u.s. and north korea, the rest of the world is watching and this is not the only country we have a serious proliferation problem with. there's iranian negotiations over their nuclear program. the world is watching. so what you don't want to do is force yourself as christiane infers into this direct confrontation with north korea and leave no one a way to talk their way out. >> to someone watching this who looks at north korea and says why is this young dictator doing this, why would he have all this bel...

24 hours ago we were here discussing what seemed to be a very serious situation. but you are absolutely right. i think it's come to the conclusion that no matter what they say from north korea, you can't respond in kind, because it simply rachets up the tension so from the state department and from the pentagon today, a clear desire to step back off this very confrontational ledge. question is, how can all sides get away from their backs against the corner right now. >> racheting it up, does that play into north korea's hands, fran? >> it does, anderson, because remember, this is -- while the ...

At war on the korean peninsula. so there's a much greater concern about north korea. plus, their record of proliferation. north korea has shared nuclear and missile technology with the likes of iran, probably pakistan. remember, the israelis took out a syrian facility back in 2007, even perhaps burma. so, but india hasn't been the proliferation problem that north korea has and currently is. jenna: i'm going to move to north korea in just a moment, but a final thought on india. 60-100 nuclear warheads is the count we have on record, but no one really knows for sure, peter, and i just wonder wit...

Iran's position is as long as we have what is protection from china and russia we don't have worry. china imports 600 thousands barrels of day from tehran. brett is correct, russians and chinese have been diluting the united nations effort of sanctions and i don't think we're going to end up in a closer position than we did a year ago. >> paul: let me ask you about another issue. it was supposed to come up, but the turks and egyptians were going to bring up israel's presumed nuclear capability because they haven't admitted they have it though most thing they do. is that a proliferation problem...

Iran's position is as long as we have what is protection from china and russia we don't have worry. china imports 600 thousands barrels of day from tehran. brett is correct, russians and chinese have been diluting the united nations effort of sanctions and i don't think we're going to end up in a closer position than we did a year ago. >> paul: let me ask you about another issue. it was supposed to come up, but the turks and egyptians were going to bring up israel's presumed nuclear capability because they haven't admitted they have it though most thing they do. is that a proliferation problem...