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They say this is just another tall tale from governor perry instead of spending time misrepresenting governor rom no's words governor ferry should take some time why he thinks conservatives who disagree with him for providing in-state tuition for illegal immigrants don't have a heart. does governor perry still have that position about illegal immigrants and tuition breaks in his state? >> here in texas, i don't know that there's been any governor, any leader in the country who has been so articulate and forceful on the issue of border security. the federal government has been a failure. we've ...

While at the same time a tea partier comes out on top of the establishment candidate for a party position. those two things don't seem to go together >> they don't. let me mention the marriott. i won't be going to the marriott. >> there is always the internet. you might check it out. >> it's a reflection of what we are seeing happening in republican politics. rom no's establishment getting the top vote there. tea party getting the chairmanship and michelle bachman with a tea party response to the republican response we are beginning to see the fractures of what's happening with the tea party. ...

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Did not acquit himself well. and he was leading, rom no was and in 48 hours after the debate. i could feel a decided shift taking place. >> congressman, you are close and tight with the president and his people. we know the gardener and landscaper but after that it is dicey. is it your sense that the president would prefer one candidate to run against, what? >> i don't think so. i think the president has been preparing for a contrast in visions for the future. and if you look at over the candidates on the other side, at least the final four, they have similar visions, as to where the country s...

But this makes the window even smaller and even harder for somebody like that. megyn: what is the likely hood that other states besides florida are going to do this and how would that change the landscape even more? >> reporter: well that's where rom no and perry probably have a very different opinion. the current rules say, look, don't start until february, and then you're not allowed to have winner take all contests until april. and the republicans wanted to draw out the nominating process, to have something like hillary clinton and barack obama had in 2008. megyn: yeah did they want that? >...