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Russian court. joined now by ukrainian journalist mark sachuck, working to get military equipment to ukrainians. it's good to have you on. >> hi. >> one of the issues with this war, russia, largely a propaganda bubble. lying to people about what's going on there. what does it mean to see a russian journalist make such a stand as she did on that russian state tv broadcast? what does it mean to you? >> it's definitely good that we see examples of people speaking o out. incredibly important. a big attack on the russian population since they have been able to completely cut her off in the second's...

Prices were higher. the complaint, though, it feels as if when oil prices go up, gas prices go up like a rocket. >> yeah. th there's no lag time there. >> but when oil prices come down, they come down like a feather. that's the big issue they're trying to call out. >> it's like when you make a charge on your credit card, it's there immediately, and when you return something, it takes days for that money to come back to you, and that's the frustration. >> exactly. >> we'll see if this does anything to change it. my guess is probably not. >> probably not. >> thanks, matt. they are cut off, as ...

The past and the russians have been very aggressive about creating influencers in the spaces. and so it is good to see that at least the ground is not being left open in the same way that it was before. >> yes, and the thing is michael, and you kind of look on the opposite side of what is taking place inside of russia, it is a completely different dynamic. the state run media is controlling the narrative, the russian government is prohibiting words from being used. can't even say war. or invasion. and the kremlin's bra getting several western news sites on social media. and yet, despite that, ...

Methodically over the last two decades to turn russian society into a kind of propaganda bubble. i don't believe he can wall off indefinitely russians from the truth as reality is starting to puncture that bubble. >> it is not just ukrainians flee but russians are leaving their homeland for the iron curtain fully descends on russia. here is a shopping mall in moscow as stores are shuttered because of historic sanctions. the kremlin is escalating the crackdown on dissent. more than 13,000 antiwar protesters have been arrested and spreading fake news or describing the ukraine invasion as a war i...

Very different politically, ideologically systems made the same mistakes. as you can see in the film, that misinformation and disinformation are invisible and are hard to detect, but they are not -- the so-called democratic countries are not immune to it. as we see it here, the same level of misinformation happened and was spread from the top of the government, from the top leaders. when that happened, the ordinary people are consuming those narratives and the result is a huge tragedy and devastating loss of human lives. >> and with respect to government propaganda, which very few countries ar...