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>> it is like the blind leading the blind right now. the fact that breitbart has become the president's daily intelligence briefing should terrify just about everybody in this country. but even more so the fact that the president would so openly make such a very specific and detailed allegation against his predecessor is something that really, you know, the press should not let this go. the white house press briefing this week, the first possible opportunity, every reporter there should be asking sean spicer what proof does president trump have that any of these allegations are based in any ki...

The law of war paradigm on the other. bill: one more point. i want to emphasize this. you believe if this goes to trial now, that he uses the american legal stage for his own platform? >> yeah. i think it's a possibility he will plead guilty or if he pleads not guilty the kind of case he will present why america in effect is guilty. he will try to put us on trial. and i'm afraid under the rules we operate in criminal justice system he may well find a very, find as you very good propaganda platform. bill: relevant to the bombings in august of 1998 it is my understanding there are three others s...

Citizens objecting to a propaganda platform and say the administration can't have it both ways which is to say publicly welcoming a debate over domestic surveillance while simultaneously threatening the person who started the debate in the first place. still others including the atlantic's conners frieders ddorf that this is far more rad that will an any action taken by edward snowden. there isn't a document titled the plan to destroy global privacy, but that's what western intelligence agencies will do if left unopposed to their own devices. anyone who can't see that hasn't adequately grapple...

Place, plus a ton more. now we are saying, well, it is legal, there are these secret court rulings, what are you talking about? i don't have a lot of confidence the conversation will go in a fruitful direction. it is better for the u.s. government to talk about snowden. his numbers are under water, if you were a politician. just keep talking about him and not this surveillance state that you've built and you're better off. >> karen, i want you to respond. you have a skeptical look in your eyes. "the obama administration has stopped pretending they are not worrying about edward snowden." the co...

>> chris: nsa leaker edward snowden on friday making his first public appearance after three weeks in a moscow airport. snowden now says he wants asylum in russia while he arranges travel to latin america. here to discuss the snowden case and more, chairman of the homeland security committee, e, representative michael mccaul. what do you think about what the white house is calling his propaganda platform to make his announcement? >> every day this fugitive is on the run, he puts the united states security more at risk. he's a traitor to this country. he took an oath of loyalty to the united st...