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This is in the hopes it would deter the exploitation of children. can they they be legally deported without a hearing? joining me now is david schwartz and francisco hernandez. thank you for talking to me. david, talk about the department of homeland security considering separating moms and their kids. to deter them from coming into the u.s. illegally. what you make of that? >> it's just a proposal. it's in the proposal stage is right now so we don't know if it will become a policy. with that being said, the proposal would be in order to avoid this abuse of children and the danger of crossing ...

Back phones you might recall several years ago. those did not work out. a, they were too expensive. b, they didn't work often, and c, they were disturbing to other people. >> maybe itsier just me, patrick. you fly a lot, i fly a lot as well. funny talking to business travelers, they almost despise the existence of wi-fi. they said this was the last bastion of quiet, and here we are posable talking about talking. >> i don't know. i always thought wi-fi on airplanes was a great idea. customer satisfaction onboard -- onboard satisfaction, it's all about the art of distracting people. what better ...

Strategy in a second term as well as more forcing events like gitmo. >> spencer, how surprising was the speech to you? how much was it what you anticipated? how important do you find this idea of the end of the war on terror? >> that was really the surprising thing. in some ways it's two speeches, chris. one was a fascinating speech where he outlines that the war has to end, and the other is a frustrating speech where he doesn't quite take the implications of what he's saying into the proposal stage. for instance, when he's asked, when he's trying to answer, rather, what the end of the war loo...

Framework for his second term. i think this is -- don't forget, we're still fairly new into his second term and i think this is a thing that he had thad had on table. i think there's been increasing controversy about the drone program and especially about gitmo. and especially about those detainees who are now being force fed and i thing there are more than 100 of them. i think it's a combination of his feeling of what he needed to lay out by way of a grand strategy in a second term as well as more forcing events like gitmo. >> spencer, how surprising was the speech to you? how much was it wha...