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Interesting thing is this will hurt arizona. it will not help arizona. the -- all the economic studies that have been done, including the university of arizona report we're doing a similar report here, would show that if you even reduced this immigration by 15% in the state of arizona, this would have a devastating effect of over $15 billion. on the state's economy. if they actually implement the bill. the other thing is. >> juan: that's a secondary impact. i was asking you how the courts are likely to rule. you are saying, yes, heather mcdonald has a point that in some cases the states are al...

Hurt arizona. it will not help arizona. the -- all the economic studies that have been done, including the university of arizona report we're doing a similar report here, would show that if you even reduced this immigration by 15% in the state of arizona, this would have a devastating effect of over $15 billion. on the state's economy. if they actually implement the bill. the other thing is. >> juan: that's a secondary impact. i was asking you how the courts are likely to rule. you are saying, yes, heather mcdonald has a point that in some cases the states are allowed to affirm what is existin...

Hurt arizona. it will not help arizona. the -- all the economic studies that have been done, including the university of arizona report we're doing a similar report here, would show that if you even reduced this immigration by 15% in the state of arizona, this would have a devastating effect of over $15 billion. on the state's economy. if they actually implement the bill. the other thing is. >> juan: that's a secondary impact. i was asking you how the courts are likely to rule. you are saying, yes, heather mcdonald has a point that in some cases the states are allowed to affirm what is existin...

When pete wilson wanted more of a national platform. what happened with proposition 187 is not only did it ruin his political career but it politicized the latino community. i think a lot of times right now, the republicans are saying what they're fearing more and more, the tea party and that's 18% of the republican party. we already know how they're going to vote. the latino vote is very much a swing vote, alex, and we're talking about 18% of a population that is not either republican or democrat. >> all right. well, and we're going to talk further about the subject. come on back in a couple ...

And, instead, what the obama administration now has to look at, we need comprehensive reform because it's a slippery slope and not only will happen in arizona. other folks are taking notes saying this is a good idea. i think it's a bad idea. >> here is what pat buchanan said with me about the racial profiling, you made this point that police make determinations about people, maria, all the time, sizing them up, evaluate situations, not necessarily using race. it is what they are trained to do. isn't it possible that the new law could be enacted fairly with sensitive to avoid racial profiling l...