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Will learn a lot more about barry berke for the judiciary committee, steven castor, the minority counsel, daniel goldman, majority counsel for the intelligence committee and steven castor, also the minority counsel for the committee, they will be testifying and making their arguments. >> right. steven castor will do double duty for the republicans. the democrats will be splitting it. >> there's steven castor. they come from three different worlds in the legal world. daniel goldman is a career prosecutor with the southern district of new york, the federal prosecutor's office in manhattan. he's ...

Have no defense. >> let me go to jeff on that because you're covering this for nbc news. tell me about this, what is their defense when they realize they can't argue process anymore because they're going to get the resolution tomorrow, they're going to get to testify in judiciary committee and all that, what are they saying about the fundamental question whether a president with shakedown a foreign leader for dirt on an opponent? >> you saw the tweet from the president today where he was subjecting republicans defend him on the merits of the case. and you are not seeing by and large republican...

Basically the prosecution case before impeachment and not let it get crazy like it did with the cory lewandowski horror show that day in judiciary? that's a disastrous hearing i thought. >> so the hearing i think will be very focused. you're going to have staff counsel doing the questioning. members are going to sit there and listen to the questioning and the answers, and then at the end of the hearing there will be questions that members can ask. but to the point of is this fair, the truth of the matter is that both for nixon and for clinton they -- the president did not have the opportunity ...

Impeachment and then the trial which is where you have the due process rights and criminal system come into play in the senate. to be clear the republicans arguments about process are bad and wrong, but i guess they're not as bad or wrong as the substantive defenses of the president. what i think is important to think about here is not the immediate political moment, but this is constitutional moment for the ages because the president hasbused his office in a way that would be the founders worst nightmare, selling out national security and democratic integrity. so i think the public nature of ...

Along the way, living off the land if you will. and now is he going to be shock doesn't go down. after the parnas and frumans go down, and we saw how inextricably intertwined those folks were. if we see giuliani go uncharged it's only because bill barr is protecting him. if you let u.s. attorney berman from the southern district of new york to his own devices, he will follow the evidence and the evidence will result for charges for rudy giuliani. >> thank you congresswoman dina titus of nevada, the great peter baker, glen kirschner and jeff bennett. coming up, democrats will make their case ...