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Information, write up a prosecutive memo, make a determination as to whether he has met the elements of that crime. but he really is the only person who can lend it one way or the other by his own testimony. and then there's other things related to their investigation. for example, the moscow project. the trump building deal that has been revealed through some of the michael cohen aspect of this case. whether or not the president knew that a deal was still in the works throughout the campaign. that's an important point. and again, goes to his knowledge. >> van jones is here with me in new york...

Breaking news. carrie cordero, also van jones, a former adviser to president obama. also joining us, former trump campaign adviser michael caputo. carrie, i want to start with you with pamela's breaking news. the special counsel's team still wants to talk to the president. so at a minimum, if the president and his legal team thought that was going to go away, it hasn't. >> yeah, well, john, there's a number of things in the investigation that still would be greater informed by the president's actual interview or testimony. in particular, the whole part of the investigation that pertained to ...

That become public in a way -- some have argued he's sort of writing the early outline of a report in some of these documents to get them out of the public sphere. >> i think that's one possibility. there's a lot of commentators who think he's sort of speaking through all these charging documents and he's going to reveal and weave together the whole story in plea agreements and things like that. i'm not 100% convinced of that yet. >> he certainly didn't do that in this. >> i think as prosecutors, they're drafting the documents as appropriate for that particular case or that particular matter, ...

>> how it plays out. >> although mueller has been putting a lot more detail in charging documents and documents that become public in a way -- some have argued he's sort of writing the early outline of a report in some of these documents to get them out of the public sphere. >> i think that's one possibility. there's a lot of commentators who think he's sort of speaking through all these charging documents and he's going to reveal and weave together the whole story in plea agreements and things like that. i'm not 100% convinced of that yet. >> he certainly didn't do that in this. >> i think as...