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Approximately was medicare cuts, also medicaid cuts that were in that bill. they were all done on the so-called provider side. that's the way they tend to do that. those are very difficult cuts to make because we've made so many of them in the past. so that side of the of the system is kind of cut to the bone at this point. >> all right. lawrence o'donnell, thanks for hanging with us. will you hang out again sometime? >> this is a lot of fun. no-homework tv is a lot of fun. >> up next, forbes's list of the most powerful people in the world is out. [ male announcer ] when ziggy the cat appeared...

Democrats like to pretend as though they're the great protecters of social security, medicare, and medicaid. they make solemn pledges all the time about how they won't even entertain a discussion about reform. >> and we are back. that's senate minority leader mitch mcconnell saying democrats won't even entertain a discussion of reforming entitlement programs? simply not true. democrats want to extend the life of these programs. the real issue is what kind of reform are you talking about? medicare is central to the discussion because republicans want to cut benefits. or raise the eligibility ag...

Or raise the eligibility age. president obama has a plan to get savings out of medicare on the provider side. it's obviously an important distinction. president obama's 2013 budget would cut $340 billion out of medicare over 10 years primarily through these 4 methods. requiring drugmakers to pay rebates to medicare in some circumstances. and they want to reduce costs by discouraging hospitals from releasing patients too early and then readmitting them which is more expensive. also, reducing coverage of bad debts of hospitals and nursing homes. and charging higher premiums to high-income benefi...

Democrats like to pretend as though they're the great protecters of social security, medicare, and medicaid. they make solemn pledges all the time about how they won't even entertain a discussion about reform. >> and we are back. that's senate minority leader mitch mcconnell saying democrats won't even entertain a discussion of reforming entitlement programs? simply not true. democrats want to extend the life of these programs. the real issue is what kind of reform are you talking about? medicare is central to the discussion because republicans want to cut benefits. or raise the eligibility ag...

Grows more quickly, but now it's growing at a rate that is very similar, if not exactly the same, as the rate president obama would like to have medicare grow under his plan in which he's got some other strength and cost control maneuvers to cut down costs on the provider side. over time they came in more similarly but initially the ryan budget's medicare cuts were very dramatic, much more so than anything the obama administration, for better or worse, has proposed. >> of course, the other criticism is that he has not -- he's left defense intact and has not conceded anything on the tax side so...