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One of the big rubs on the choice, did him a favor until the president rejected it. >> i agree with that. to me the extra level of difficulty is that despite that, he's putting democrats in a position to make this fight over judge gorsuch about their fight with president trump. that's reminiscent of what they did to judge merrick garland. it was never about judge garland. it was about their fight with president obama naming someone when he did. in this case whether it's the travel ban, whether it's the independence of the judiciary, you heard senator blumenthal saying we want him to speak out ...

>> this becomes a proxy fight over affordable care and obamacare. even there, it's hard to see where he might be losing ground among republicans. you see some with the labor secretary potentially where there's some talk among democrats that they have made enough noise and brought up enough issues in hearings that they might force the administration even to withdraw the nomination. that is their hope. in this case, i don't see -- i see a tough fight but i don't on the democratic side. >> abby, it's not about if, it's about when. they don't have the votes unless you have defekses. what we saw wi...

Welcome back to "hardball." next month, new leader for party. the race has become proxy fight. and the clinton, there's a dark horse in the race, he has been called brightest star, interesting mayor you never heard of or possibly gay -- south bend indiana. thank you sir. that same is fascinating. >> it's smith over there. >> you want to be chairman of the democraticational committee. >> yes. >> what makes you different?

Taxes, on his conflicts of interest, tried to get limb to budge, to bend towards them. failed during the campaign and i think that's playing out here too, aswell. a proxy fight in a way. >> and jared cushmkushner, his potential conflicts of interest had he ends up way prominent role in the white house. many within trump's team said jared is the best ally, the most reasonable. the one that can get donald trump top listen the most but haven't actually taken a lot of attention, haven't focused on who exactly jared is. a massive deal going on in china. his family business alone made $7 billion in ...

Let me ask you -- put you on the spot on the democratic side. >>. >> oh. >> which is this. you got your shots in the last time. it seems as if this fight between keith ellison and tom perez is a proxy fight, could be turning into a proxy fight for the following. democrats thinkt needs to be wholesale change inside the party, keith ellison, and the democrats that think hey, hillary clinton was an awful candidate, but she got three million more votes anyway, we don't need to change much next election and that's the tom perez campaign. too simplistic or does that sound right? >> i think there's a...