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What are the big ideas now that you think are working? >> some of that polarization is good, by the way. say one word for tests. if we don't do the tests we don't know what tavis just reported. you have to do the tests to find out how the patient is doing. when you do the test, you find out in the n.a.t.e. scores, 53% of black fourth graders cannot read at a basic leve that is a national disgrace and that needs to be shouted from the rooftops, particularly since we're spending a lot more money on education and we know how to teach reading. you asked about things that work. right here in this c...

Is really behind reform. that's taken hold. now we've gotten into a prepolarized place, even in education reform. so what are the big ideas now that you think are working? >> some of that polarization is good, by the way. let me say one word for tests. if we don't do the test, you don't know. you have to do the test to find out how the patient is doing. when you do the test, you find out in the n.a.t.e. scores, 53% of black fourth graders cannot read at a basic level. it is a national disgrace that needs to be shouted from the rooftops. particularly since we're spending a lot more money on edu...