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Veteran will, obviously, ptsd. those things there they just hurt so much because you know, some people have issues before they come n i'm no doctor but you know, i dealt with pts. i know other brother who's have done that. and it's not about wanting to hurt other people. it's a guilt feeling of what happened of missing your brothers and trying to make sense of what actions are that you're saying. you go, you watch people die. you're under stress of knowing you can lose your life in a mement. it's a natural reaction you know what i mean? and i tell people, you know, i look at ptsd like lice. do...

It's a great story. it is. go ahead. >> they said that you know the president was tied up. busy. and i said, i understand i'm busy, too. i've got to. >> one of the things you've been focused on is helping people transition back into civilian life. you know? i quit using the term ptsd. the d stands for disorder people think if a person had trauma from combat they're forever unable to function. that is not true. people in a car wreck had trauma. they get over it. why is it that people think that the veteran has pts it's somehow permanent disability? rather than something they've got to work thro...

Care. colonel jacobs, did the president go far enough? >> i think it went far enough. he's a little late. he needs to get out ahead of the story. >> this was several weeks where all we heard from was aides and spokes people. >> that's correct. it goes back further than that. months and months ago, indeed years ago we had this problem. and when shinseki first took office, those people with pts, agent orange exposure, opened the doors to them and said, that they could sign up and come in for va benefits. and the fact of the matter is, the organization was not structured, wasn't capable of actual...

Do we eliminate the waste, fraud and abuse that contributes to so much of these funds being wasted. >> congressman murphy, we should say from the outset that we don't know what triggered this. the base seems to think it was an argument. there is, as yet, no evidence. we know that he had been seen by a psychiatrist -- or someone on the base, a therapist of some sort on the base. but we don't know if he had pts. having said that, my question to you is, there with, by many accounts, thousands and thousand whose do suffer from some form of pts, some more severely than others. how do you as a menta...

Joining me are congresswoman and iraq war veteran and congress manage tim murphy, a clinical psychologist in the navy reserve who treats soldiers with pts. thank you both so much for joining us this morning. i'm sorry it is on this subject because it seems like we do it pretty regularly here. i want to first start out with a statement that came from the father of the shooter, now deceased. he had this to say friday. "this situation is very painful. i seek prayers for all the families affected. more so when there is an ongoing investigation. my son must not have been in his right mind. he wasn'...