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Been doubtful of the fisa process. it is sort of something republicans have preferred. at this point, define the democrats and the fbi and the department of justice all on the same tide of the issue must give one pause to say two groups who are not on the same side about surveillance are saying don't do this. >> absolutely. why is this? this is at least it was this president's deputy attorney general, his attorney general, his fbi director, here are serious-minded law enforcement professionals saying this is a bad idea. and this is a related concern and i'm sure my former colleagues share, we'...

Chuck grassley where paul manafort and donald junior may be called actually tweeted about this today saying coming before me and senator sign fine and our staffs is no easy thing in and of its own right. in many cases these are attorneys with years of experience on the committee, often predating the members themselves. so that's where we are with kushner this morning. the question going forward will be will he be back to appear in any kind of public setting. we know he's talking to the house behind closed doors tomorrow. but how does the public ultimately get access to this information and whe...

In a much more public setting? >> i think the main difference is there were american witnesses to what president obama and medvedev were saying. the problem with this exchange, as i'm aware -- >> the media. it was a hot mike, right? >> it was a hot mike, but here you only have a russian translator. you know, strobe talbot, who was deputy secretary of state under president clinton and handled russia, he tweeted yesterday. the problem is be donwe don't k what possible commitment the president made when there is only russian witnesses to it. i don't think anyone objects to the president speaking ...

Know that he is sincere in making sure this doesn't happen again. >> at the nato meet innings brussels you heard the president deliver those comments during that dedication of the 9/11 memorial there. he took the opportunity to really blast nato members for not paying their fair share. is the president doing the right thing or is he alienating nato allies by repeating and lecturing them in public? >> i think he handled that in an inappropriate way. we have a commitment from our nato allies that they must meet their 2% obligations. they have to have a plan to get to that 2%. we have supported t...

But he can on gay marriage? he can on a litany of other -- he can on israel and palestine and not rice? >> okay, but what is this in particular? i mean, the president spoke about ringing bias from our lives. these are infinite conversations between plaques and whites that are very difficult to have in a big public setting. but i think when you start boiling it down, it is the question i thought he was asking which is what is the this? there is no federal program that can deal with this. so how does he lead and on what does he lead? >> there is no federal program on this. when he gave the state...