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Though, i mean at the same time do you see him, essentially, caving in to the pressure? because also at stake for him is of course prestige. there's a lot on the line for him. so if he does pull back, do you actually see that happening? >> no. no, i don't. i think nic is right about this. but i also think a lot of the headlines from the press make it seem as if it's either invasion or its withdrawal. and actually the russians have a hell of a lot of options in between. you may remember the russians engaged in cyber attacks against ukraine just last friday, and the response from the west was de...

And they they've said that the recent us response to their demands about a pull—back of nato from eastern europe is inadequate, they've said, because the key question, as far as moscow is concerned, is being ignored. and lavrov puts it like this — the us and its allies have to understand the principle that they cannot strengthen their security at the expense of another country's security, ie russia's. are you prepared here and now to tell me that you're listening to russia, you understand what they're saying, and that there are some concessions you and nato partners can make? look, when yo...

So few of them — that if not for nato, wouldn't we have a similar situation like happened in 2008 in georgia? because military adventurism is really likely, especially in those countries who are not part of nato, so we will... crosstalk. imean... yeah. yeah, i hearyour point but i'm mindful you're the foreign minister. you believe, i'm sure you believe in the power of diplomacy and the power of compromise. the russians are insistent and they they've said that the recent us response to their demands about a pull—back of nato from eastern europe is inadequate, they've said, because the key q...

And weaknesses... right. ..invite nato partners, and then, interestingly, invest in the military capacity going forward to fulfil these deficits. so... so, hang on... i want to be very, very clear. all right. so, what is your message to vladimir putin, then? he's made — the russians have made it plain that they regard nato military presence on your soil as an unacceptable provocation, and they want a nato pull—back from bulgaria. it sounds like you're prepared to provoke putin. i want to say very clearly another very important point. we do not believe, in bulgaria, in areas of influence. w...

Invest in the military capacity going forward to fulfil these deficits. so... so, hang on... i want to be very, very clear. all right. so, what is your message to vladimir putin, then? he's made — the russians have made it plain that they regard nato military presence on your soil as an unacceptable provocation, and they want a nato pull—back from bulgaria. it sounds like you're prepared to provoke putin. i want to say very clearly another very important point. we do not believe, in bulgaria, in areas of influence. we do not believe... this is a past century, early past century history whe...