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Hearing that defense from donald trump in effect? yesterday the whole thing was he's got to stay out of it, he's only going to tweet support for his son. he was right in the middle of it today. >> i think he listened to his lawyers for a day and then he decided to go out and defend his son. it is his son, after all. and i was talking to somebody who talks to the president quite frequently today, and he said, look, the president, his frame of mind is as it has always been. this is a media exercise, this is a media creation. this is the media trying to create a conspiracy that doesn't exist and ...

Even after the president sort of got off message this morning. maybe this is a message that he wants, that's if we can pull up this tweet. he says "everyone here is talking about why jump at us to refuse to give the dnc server to the fbi and the cia. this graceful." assume you heard the people talking about that and thought it was a big topic. podesta response today with a lot of tweaking. he is on a cross-country road trip with his wife. he heard about this, told us about vermont. he probably knows west virginia. he said that the president is a whack job, get a grip. the russians committed a ...

Not surprising but stunning that he would do this, that someone who has been elected to be the leader of the united states and in many ways the most powerful person in the world would spend time and lack the judgment to understand that you don't do this. >> and the white house is defending it. >> which is -- and they will. they will. sarah huckabee sanders was on fox news earlier and said, when he gets punched, he punches back. >> you can punch back. there's nothing wrong be punching back but you don't have to start talking about, she was bleeding badly from a facelift. >> yes. that is exactly...

News, it galvanizes and energizes his base. he was a big republican party fund-raiser last night talking about cnn and attacking cnn and for the white house that's sort of a win. but this is a whole other level and a whole other thing here what he's doing with mika and i don't think his advisers are too happy to see it happening. >> but again, i know i is you this all the time. can anyone change him? i'm told by a friend of his who didn't defend the move, but understand it. this is sort of the street brawler in him. >> yeah. >> the more low rent side of donald trump who thinks when you punch, ...

>> neil: you're close. you would say don't punch down -- >> i come from the street. if you get punched, punch back. i wish they would stop fighting. it's like your kids. you want them to stop fighting. >> neil: but my kids are not president of the united states? >> does it matter? >> neil: i think it does. a certain decorum. >> i like the fact that he's not your standard poll situation. notice the peers -- >> neil: paul ryan criticized him, ben sass, lindsey graham criticized it. >> jeb bush. >> neil: that wasn't a shocker. >> what do these four have in common? they were anti-trumpers leading ...